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![Interview conducted on 10 September, 2020](audio:https://machinelistening.exposed/library/Yolande%20Stengers/Yolande%20Stengers%20and%20Jenny%20Kennedy%20(10)/Yolande%20Stengers%20and%20Jenny%20Kenn%20-%20Yolande%20Stengers.mp3)

## Angie Abdilla

Angie talks to us about [Old Ways, New](https://oldwaysnew.com/), the Indigenous owned and led social enterprise she founded, based on Gadigal land in Redfern, Sydney. We discuss Country Centered Design, a methodology which applies Indigenous design principles to the development of technologies for places, spaces and experiences, and how this contrasts with the 'placelessness' on which so many machine learning/listening systems are based.

![Interview conducted on 2 September, 2020](audio:https://machinelistening.exposed/_preview/library/Angie%20Abdilla/Angie%20Abdilla%20(31)/Angie%20Abdilla%20-%20Angie%20Abdilla.mp3)

## James Parker (w Jasmine Guffond)

This is the first of three radio shows as part of [Jasmine's](https://jasmineguffond.bandcamp.com/album/microphone-permission) guest residency at Noods Radio. It features an interview with [James](https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/james-parker) about his research on machine listening, this curriculum, the project with Unsound, and a selection of electronic music.


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