curriculum/content/interview/vladan-joler.md

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title: "Vladan Joler"
Description: "Vladan walks us through [Anatomy of an AI System](https://anatomyof.ai/), his 2018 work with [Kate Crawford](https://www.katecrawford.net/), which diagrams the Amazon Echo as an anatomical map of human labor, data and planetary resources. We talk about the politics of visibility and method as well as Vladan's work with [Share Lab](https://labs.rs/en/), 'where indie data punk meets media theory pop to investigate digital rights blues'."
aliases: []
author: "Machine Listening"
date: "2020-09-01T00:00:00-05:00"
episode_image: "images/ml.gif"
explicit: "no"
hosts: ["james-parker", "joel-stern", "sean-dockray"]
images: ["images/ml.gif"]
news_keywords: []
podcast_duration: "55:53"
podcast_file: "https://machinelistening.exposed/library/Vladan%20Joler/Vladan%20Joler%20(part%202)%20(29)/Vladan%20Joler%20(part%202)%20-%20Vladan%20Joler.mp3"
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youtube: ""
categories: []
series: []
tags: []
transcript: "http://git.metadada.xyz/machinelistening/curriculum/src/branch/master/content/transcript/joler.md"
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