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-## Angie Abdilla
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-Angie talks to us about [Old Ways, New](https://oldwaysnew.com/), the Indigenous owned and led social enterprise she founded, based on Gadigal land in Redfern, Sydney. We discuss [Decolonising the Digital](http://ojs.decolonising.digital/index.php/decolonising_digital), Country Centered Design, a methodology which applies Indigenous design principles to the development of technologies for places, spaces and experiences, and how this contrasts with the 'placelessness' on which so many machine learning/listening systems are based.
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-![Interview conducted on 2 September, 2020](audio:https://machinelistening.exposed/_preview/library/Angie%20Abdilla/Angie%20Abdilla%20(31)/Angie%20Abdilla%20-%20Angie%20Abdilla.mp3)
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 ## James Parker (w Jasmine Guffond)