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title: "Angie Abdilla"
Description: "Angie talks to us about [Old Ways, New](https://oldwaysnew.com/), the Indigenous owned and led social enterprise she founded, based on Gadigal land in Redfern, Sydney. We discuss [Decolonising the Digital](http://ojs.decolonising.digital/index.php/decolonising_digital), Country Centered Design, a methodology which applies Indigenous design principles to the development of technologies for places, spaces and experiences, and how this contrasts with the 'placelessness' on which so many machine learning/listening systems are based."
Description: "Vladan walks us through [Anatomy of an AI System](https://anatomyof.ai/), his 2018 work with [Kate Crawford](https://www.katecrawford.net/), which diagrams the Amazon Echo as an anatomical map of human labor, data and planetary resources. We talk about the politics of visibility and method as well as Vladan's work with [Share Lab](https://labs.rs/en/), 'where indie data punk meets media theory pop to investigate digital rights blues'."
aliases: []
author: "Machine Listening"
date: "2020-09-02T00:00:00-05:00"
date: "2020-09-01T00:00:00-05:00"
episode_image: "images/ml.gif"
explicit: "no"
hosts: ["james-parker", "joel-stern", "sean-dockray"]


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