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title: "Angie Abdilla"
Description: "Angie talks to us about [Old Ways, New](https://oldwaysnew.com/), the Indigenous owned and led social enterprise she founded, based on Gadigal land in Redfern, Sydney. We discuss [Decolonising the Digital](http://ojs.decolonising.digital/index.php/decolonising_digital), Country Centered Design, a methodology which applies Indigenous design principles to the development of technologies for places, spaces and experiences, and how this contrasts with the ‘placelessness’ on which so many machine learning/listening systems are based."
aliases: []
author: "Machine Listening"
date: "2020-09-01T00:00:00-05:00"
episode_image: "images/ml.gif"
explicit: "no"
hosts: ["james-parker", "joel-stern", "sean-dockray"]
images: ["images/ml.gif"]
news_keywords: []
podcast_duration: "38:49"
podcast_file: "https://machinelistening.exposed/library/Angie%20Abdilla/Angie%20Abdilla%20(31)/Angie%20Abdilla%20-%20Angie%20Abdilla.mp3"
podcast_bytes: ""
youtube: ""
categories: []
series: []
tags: []
transcript: "http://git.metadada.xyz/machinelistening/curriculum/src/branch/master/content/transcript/abdilla.md"
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